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May 11, 2025 10 months ago
METROID
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Havoc

I did some combing through our lovely battle records, and would like to propose that a lot of these old opponents (most of which are old plot challengers) be permanently released or be remembered for holidays. Some of these are even plot bosses that should be re-released with proper stats, but also allow for some re-release of old special loot, including weapons and scrolls.

OLD WEAPONS AND SCROLLS MUST BE ACHIEVEMENT-TIED TO MAINTAIN VALUE AND FAIRNESS. I understand there might be some apprehension to doing this, but this is the best way to bring old weapons back into circulation that isn't a stupid gacha box. Achievement-tying means they're going to be earned once by an account; in the future, more tiers can be added to redistribute another copy if needed.

Why should we get these old opponents permanently released or added to holidays? Because they're likely never coming back anyways (or don't fit any holidays), and some plot challengers like Slavam and Erdoo are permanently released in the default category. It would make sense to take old plot challengers and release them as default so new battlers have something to fight will they work on unlocking the Secret and CSC tabs.

For reference, the default tab has 48 opponents, while Secret has 97 opponents to potentially unlock, and CSC tab has 189 opponents to potentially unlock. I would like to make sure that newbie battlers have plenty of stuff to fight and grow their pet on while they work on unlocking Secret/CSC challengers. The default tab would be an estimated 192-195 (there's a few opponents I listed that might fit a holiday or are lacking data) if everybody here was added, which the CSC tab will quickly catch up to in no time anyways.

Now if staff wants to refresh the stats on some of these really ancient guys, then do so, or scale them down to the appropriate difficulty they fit best in. Some I think never were even released like Bonesy McBones. There's also 4 "gods" never released, though I'm aware there's lore conflict with that, but I'll list them anyways in case that has changed since (I'd throw them in the Super tab if they're gods).

PLEASE GIVE US THESE BADDIES AGAIN!

Old-New Opponents for Default Name of opponent (ID number) Vintage Prodigy (2) Bloodred Golem (12) Robotum Destructus Mantiscius (18) Ian Asmodeus (20) Propellorbot (23) Mortaurus (24) Trojhen (26) TX4493 (27) Zephyre (28) Llindorm (29) Bonesy McBones (30) M4-L155 (35) Replika (37) Stone Griffin (97) Stone Chimaera (98) Stone Cerberus (99) Stone Winged Ram (100) Stone Amphisbaena (101) Stone Winged Boar (102) Lady of the Waters (103) - achievement-tie Tasselled Aegis Scroll to 10th win Lady of the West Wind (104) Skeletal Warrior (105) Saherimos Catoblepas (106) Saherimos Manticore (107) Scarab Swarm (108) Saherimos Scorpion (109) Vehnam (110) Terrseo (149) Ping (163) Chompman (164) King Chelon (165) Brain Eater (166) Turret (167) Daghraan (168) Goo Hund (220) Spirited Shrine Coin (221) Lui and Ta (222) Tashiin (223) Dummy of Gold (257) Dummy of Steele (258) -unused 3rd dummy- (259) The Gooli Army (260) Hare-chu (261) Cozcoatl (262) Right Flanking Guardian (263) Left Flanking Guardian (264) Secluded Shrine Women (302) Shrine Women Nightmare (316)

Old plot bosses into Super tab Marcel the Miser (77) - Achievement-tie Martenez Briefcase to 10th win, and remove briefcase from fanciful box Satyr of the Wilds (111) - Achievement-tie Cracked Satyr Tip Blade to 10th win Saheric Temple Guardian (112) - Achievement-tie Temple Guardian Axe Blade to 10th win (remove Sandreaver from Godly box) Tempest (186) - Achievement-tie Charged Tower Shield to 10th win Twisted Jaxon Skelly (198) - Achievement-tie Skelly scroll and Twisted Keeper Focus to 10th win Kiyo (224) - Achievement-tie Ancestral Unrest to 10th win Temple Guardian (266) - Achievement-tie Malhuili to 10th win

Can be squeezed into a holiday Keelhauliday - ISLANDERS Kohia (55) Temictzin (56) Songaa (57) Matlal (58) Kahaleitzli (59) - Achivement-tie Mana Surge Scroll to 10th win

Luminaire Two-Headed Dysfunctional Teddy Bear (134) Susie (135) Clive (136) Scary Singer (137) Scavenger (138) Unstable Snow Fairy (139)

Neugarten OR Fireside Cranky Carrot (253)

No idea, lore conflicts? Apollonia (79) Azagga (80) Wokam (81) Nukum (82)

tl;dr: there's old content here ripe for the picking, and I have an addiction to battling.

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May 11, 2025 10 months ago
Oreo
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Lady

I’m not even much of a serious battler like our incredible friend here, metroid, is, but even i support this. 100% SUPPORT YES PLEASE

May 11, 2025 10 months ago
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Haneul

Oh, I back this 100%! I would love the chance to fight the old plot and/or holiday challengers...especially now, since Haneul (main battle pet) is now T13, and I have two others who would be keen to fight too...maybe make it so you can only win the weapon with one pet....if we're worried about too many getting out...

But yes, please bring these guys back!

May 11, 2025 10 months ago
Enchant
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I am up for anything that will possibly get back into circulation. Let me battle Kiyo and earn this beanbag so I can finish my beanbag collection. August will 10 years since the plot it came from happened. Please.

Also, it would be fun to battle the old challengers I never got to.

But mostly that beanbag.

May 11, 2025 10 months ago
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Evee

100% support for this.

May 11, 2025 10 months ago
Xealias
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Would love for the old challengers to come back as many of us, including myself, have not fought them before.

May 11, 2025 10 months ago
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Hyacinthe

Quote by Enchant
I am up for anything that will possibly get back into circulation. Let me battle Kiyo and earn this beanbag so I can finish my beanbag collection. August will 10 years since the plot it came from happened. Please.</p>
<p>Also, it would be fun to battle the old challengers I never got to.</p>
<p>But mostly that beanbag.

It wasn't a battle drop, it was something given for cumulative damage dealt during the event, so even if all battle opponents were rereleased, this would STILL NOT BE AVAILABLE.

They'll find another way to release it, but yeah. Not a battle drop

May 11, 2025 10 months ago
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Havoc

If there was a way to make it so you can only obtain a max of say 3 beanbags per account, that could be something. Maybe achievement tie it to the 5th win drop, since that’s available since the 10th would be taken by AU.

I just hate the antique shop being the go-to solution or gacha boxes. But I do acknowledge the armies are the main problem for why loot devalues so quickly. Usually things like gourmets/beanbags/plushies survive okay because once fed/added to the proper collection, they can’t be removed and resold.

To me, loot has not always been at the forefront of why I battle. I only value stat boosters weapons scrolls and books if loot dropped; EXP, however, is my pull.

But I think achievement-tying the non-weapon loot that were actually plot prizes from back then, at the 5th win, would suffice.

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May 11, 2025 10 months ago
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Killer Threat

Unlike some battlers, I would actually love it if ALL weapons (even the ones I worked hard for or paid a fortune for) were as cheap as the ones in the NPC shops. It's easy enough to spend a fortune just leveling up pets -- no need to add insult to injury by the best weapons costing a fortune too. I have no problem with old loot getting re-released. Recycle Beast can always ask for stuff if there's too much floating around.

It's so easy to make money on Subeta without selling battle loot. And yes, I have some of the limited, you-had-to-be-the-top-in-a-tier for the only-ever-happened-once-event-to-get-this, weapons. I would love to see them re-released. I love using them and I'm all about sharing the joy. I don't care if they're given away by the hundreds! The re-release of some of the really great classics will only make people more excited about battling if they are actually accessible.

Battling should be about the time and effort you put into it. Not how much money you have, or how long you've been on the site. New users are the way sites grow and thrive. So let's encourage more people to battle. I think this is a great idea.

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May 11, 2025 10 months ago
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Havoc

I mean, I earned an AU back in the day but I sold it. Now I want the weapon back in my armory or even for someone’s TC. I earned it before, I should be able to earn it again

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May 11, 2025 10 months ago
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Gwyn ap Nudd

I support this idea. I'm a late starter to battling even though I've been here over 20 years so it would be great to have opponents I didn't get to battle in the old days.

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May 11, 2025 10 months ago
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Vulcanusmon

I support this too! I would love a chance to fight King Chelon ;_;

May 11, 2025 10 months ago
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Vallenorix

Much support!

I think the unreleased god challengers would be great under the Super tab. How many players even know they are gods, could tweak them a bit and now they are just powerful like the Paramnesia. Those challengers feel like they are from a cancelled plot anyway.

It would be great to see more Easy and Medium old challengers with eggs. Help the casual battlers move through the lower tiers faster.

If for some reason this is too much free stuff, they could make a CS item Challengers of The Past or some such. Bundle all the challengers per event and let players unlock the event of their choice. People could buy multiples and unlock all the old events if they wanted to drop lots of CSC. Could put a limit on how long has to pass before an event's challengers get added, like with the antique shop.


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May 11, 2025 10 months ago
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Oh yes, any new Easy and Medium guys must give EGGS. We have an eggs crisis after all. I think how I'd swing the whole gods thing is just make it seem like they're "testing your worthiness", especially if they are put in the Super tab.

I just want everything.

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May 11, 2025 10 months ago
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Not an EGGS crisis so much as an Eggs-To-Stencil crisis. lol

I live in MN, and whatever you've heard... It's much worse.

May 12, 2025 10 months ago
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Quote by bonita
Unlike some battlers, I would actually love it if ALL weapons (even the ones I worked hard for or paid a fortune for) were as cheap as the ones in the NPC shops. It&;s easy enough to spend a fortune just leveling up pets -- no need to add insult to injury by the best weapons costing a fortune too.</p>
<p>And yes, I have some of the limited, you-had-to-be-the-top-in-a-tier for the only-ever-happened-once-event-to-get-this, weapons. I would love to see them re-released. I love using them and I&;m all about sharing the joy. I don&;t care if they&;re given away by the hundreds! The re-release of some of the really great classics will only make people more excited about battling if they are actually accessible.</p>
<p>Battling should be about the time and effort you put into it. Not how much money you have, or how long you&;ve been on the site. New users are the way sites grow and thrive. So let&;s encourage more people to battle. I think this is a great idea.

I agree with this even if the weapons are a bit more expensive than the ones in the NPC shops. New battlers will eventually reach a stage where they are stuck because better weapons aren't available anywhere such as the Trident of the Banished One. They will give up if higher tier battling is only for the elite who have been here since battling started.

Going on to eggs - medium and easy opponents must give eggs because they are very useful for new battlers.

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Jun 1, 2025 9 months ago
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Ren

Little late, but with almost 20 years here, full support. Let's get these opponents and opportunities back into circulation.

Jun 1, 2025 9 months ago
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Anzo

oh I'd love to see all these old opponents come back. Full support.


Jun 2, 2025 9 months ago
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Fully support this as well. I only started battling recently and would love to be able to take on more opponents.

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Jul 7, 2025 8 months ago
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Made a couple adjustments to the list of opponents, otherwise, still hoping we'll get these guys!

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